Saturday, August 20, 2011
Dangerous D-box review
After comparing a ITB mix to a mix I did on a SSL duality I knew the analog console sound is what I wanted for my mixes. Since I won’t be spending $300,00 for an SSL Duality console or $23,000 for the SSL Matrix, I knew an analog summing box was what I needed. I was very close to purchasing the SSL 8 channel summing mixer and mynx, but learning it needed special cables was a turn off. Plus the vertical case design of the Mynx would make for an awkward set up in my studio. When I told my Sweetwater rep I was looking for an analog summing box he pointed me to the Dangerous D-box. After researching it and seeing its features compared to its price I went ahead and purchased. The D-box is really bang for your buck gear. You get 8 channels of analog summing, 2 headphones jacks, an extra analog input, talk back, outputs for 2 pair of monitors, a mono switch, and my favorite feature, 2 digital inputs for Dangerous d/a conversion. All this for $1,399. Combined with the Dangerous 2bus-lt and you have 24 tracks of summing plus the d-box features for less than $3,000. Since I mentioned the d/a conversion was my favorite feature lets look at that first.
The d/a conversion on the D-box sounds so good I would pay the price of the D-box just for it. Seriously. Its not transparent like my Lynx Aurora, but compared to it the D-box has a more “hi-fi” sound to me. Switching between the two the D-box has a slight lift you can feel. With Focal CMS65 monitors and the D-box d/a conversion all my mixes have translated very nicely. There is also a second digital input you can use labeled CD. So that gorgeous “hi-fi” sounding d/a conversion can be used for whatever else you like. Think of it like dating two beautiful twins that you can switch between.
The monitor selector is one switch that toggles two pair of monitors. Cool thing about the switch is that it has momentary toggle. This means when you hold the switch it will switch monitors, and when you let go it will revert back to the monitors you were originally listening to. It also has a mono switch which I love. I always check my mix in mono to make sure I can still hear everything clearly. Also when I have background or lead vocals that I spread out a little, I can quickly get it back in the middle by soloing the track and pressing mono. Now I have it in the middle of the mix and I’m able to add processing without losing my panning I have set. Incredibly useful. The talkback also has momentary toggle. Press to talk, release and the talkback mic is off.
Now for the main reason I purchased this, the analog summing. I find the analog summing from the D-box to be on the clean side, but definitely a winner for removing digital harshness. The D-box added punch, and widened the stereo image of my mixes just like the SSL board. I feel the SSL had more separation but that could also be due to the SSL Alphalink converters the console is connected to. The d-sub connections on the back make for easy connection as well.
So what don’t I like about the D-box? Not much, my few gripes are in no way deal breakers. One, I wish it had a dim switch, and two, I wish I could run both pair of my monitors to my sub and into the D-box. Spoke with Dangerous and found out the dim switch would make the price go up a lot. I’m still hoping for a sub control if Dangerous decides to do a mkII. Even if they don’t the D-box is the heart of my studio and It will continue to be for many years. I plan to purchase the 2bus-lt in the future for 24x2 analog summing, making my setup extremely, dare I say, DANGEROUS!
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ReplyDeleteHey Czar. I'm currently looking into going down the whole summing mixer route and wondered what your workflow is.
ReplyDeleteDo you sum/group into stems before hitting the D-box? And do you print your mix back into the computer in order to add any final compression/eq or do you do this externally?
Thanks in advance for any help. This whole workflow question has me a little confused to say the least!
What I do is I make 4 sub groups in my daw: drums, music, vocals, and efx (reverb, delay, etc). The sub groups I assign to my lynx aurora outputs: drums out 1-2, music 3-4, vocals 5-6, efx 7-8. These outputs go to the dbox inputs. Then the sum out of the dbox goes to my chameleonlabs 7720 and then to inputs on the lynx aurora which is where I record the mix back into the daw on an audio track. Here is a video of Fab Dupont and the box. He does a really good job at explaining how to set up the dbox and how it works. Hope this helps.
ReplyDeletehttp://puremix.net/video/othering/hardware/dangerous-d-box-integration.html
Thanks man. That's exactly what I was after. And the funny thing is I just came across Fab Dupont's site yesterday and hadn't see the video you recommended. I will check it out.
ReplyDeleteThanks again.
no problem. yeh Fab is great. he's really good at explaining stuff. feel free to follow the blog. I got more gear reviews coming soon as well as some videos. one thing about the dbox I love that I need to update the review with is that the button switching is very quiet. so you won't hear a loud click when switching between monitors. I love that.
ReplyDeletethanks alot for your review Chris. Continued Success my man!
ReplyDeleteI'm in the market a summing unit and its a toss up between the d box or the focusrite 2802.. but I'm leaning toward the d box
ReplyDeletehey Chris, so you CANT run both pairs of monitors simultaneously with the D Box?
ReplyDeleteRight. It will only toggle between the tow pair
DeleteHey Chris...slightly off topic....how have you set up your Lynx trims to work with the D-Box? Depending on which trim settings I use there seems to be a big discrepancy between what goes into the DBox and what comes out. Am I doing something wrong?
ReplyDeleteLately I've set the Analog inputs on the Lynx to Trim: -10dBV and left the Analog Outputs on Trim: +4dBu. Are these the settings you use?
Would love any insight you could provide on this.
Thanks man!
Good question. If your using balanced cables (which you should) When we connecting to and from the lynx you want the trim and +4. +4 for balanced cables, -10 for unbalanced cables is the easiest way to explain when to use which. Same when connecting to your monitors. If your using balanced cables to your monitors then set your monitors on +4.
DeleteSorry for the typos. Typing on my phone lol
DeleteThanks Chris. I have always been concerned with the discrepancy in levels between monitoring the SUM Output and the digital out of my DAW. However I used the settings you recommended and for the first time I was able to get a level match when switching form Sum Output to DAW monitoring. So hopefully this has now been resolved for me. Thanks again for your insight!
DeleteI need to update this review, what I didn't mention is the sum out is -6db lower at 12 oclock than the daw monitoring. If you crank the sum out fully clockwise it will the same level as the daw monitoring
Deletehi chris, i've recently got my dbox and using it with an mbox pro. i am having a problem though with massive feedback through the summing outs coming into my mbox pro inputs. i've tried different cables, now using mogami golds but still this same feeback. so i can't have the summ running into my DAW, but the monitor outs on the dbox seem fine so i can mix that signal. do you know what might be the problem? separately too btw, each sum channel in seems fine but when i use both stereo there is the massive feedback
Deletethats really weird. So you have the 6 outputs from the mbox connected to the summing inputs, and then the sum out connected to the mbox inputs? Sounds like there is a feedback loop going on somewhere. which line inputs are you using on the mbox?
Deleteyep seems to be a feedback loop because the summ outs straight into my speakers are clean. caused by mbox pro it seems, because even before i have pt10 open the mbox registers feedback... have tried all line ins on the mbox... maybe time for a new interface, any recommendations?
ReplyDeletewhat kind of budget are you looking at it?To get the most out of the D-box you would need something with 8 outs. Off the top of my head the focusrite scarlett thats $499 comes to mind. the I20 I think is the model. Higher end interface would be something like the apogee ensemble (Which has been discontinued but over priced to me) or the RME fireface give you really bang for your buck. If your not needing mic pres a Lynx Aurora 8 would be a great fit for the d-box, The Apollo as well if you want to get into UAD plugins.
Deletethanks chris, i have a daking mic pre iv, so i wouldn't need an interface necessarily would i? i.e. i could go daking mic pre to say the aurora to pt10 to aurora to Dbox back to aurora and back into pt10...
Deletei see i might need a firewire connection for the lynx to connect to the imac
Deletetossing up now between the Steinberg MR816 and the Apogee Ensemble
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